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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 10:56 am 
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The period from the American Civil War to the turn of the century was a crucial period for monetary policy in the US. The book, Shlyock: as Banker, Bondholder, Curruptionist, Conspirator, by Gordon Clarke (1893) has recently been made available on line to read for free. I highly recommend this work which is replete with footnoted sources, quotations, and clear, hard-hitting commentary. Go to:

http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/7897401/w ... _cage.html


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:51 pm 
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Thanks for the tip, but I could find no online text or way to get to any text from that link. I will do a search for more info, but if you have a better link it would be appreciated.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:21 pm 
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Jere wrote:
I could find no online text or way to get to any text from that link.

That is because the bright person linked to the title page of the book, not the index. All you needed to do is to go to the main entrance of the web-site
http://www.yamaguchy.netfirms.com/index.html
and look for the name 'Gordon Clark', or the title "Shylock: as Banker"
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Could you tell when and to whom did Thomas Jefferson say what you claim he said in your signature ?
Please pick a genuine Jefferson quote from here:
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:22 pm 
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Sorry about the bad link. Here's the good one:

http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/7897401/w ... index.html


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:03 pm 
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789 wrote:
Jere wrote:
I could find no online text or way to get to any text from that link.

That is because the bright person linked to the title page of the book, not the index. All you needed to do is to go to the main entrance of the web-site
http://www.yamaguchy.netfirms.com/index.html
and look for the name 'Gordon Clark', or the title "Shylock: as Banker"
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Could you tell when and to whom did Thomas Jefferson say what you claim he said in your signature ?
Please pick a genuine Jefferson quote from here:
http://www.yamaguchy.netfirms.com/78974 ... efind.html


Thank you 789, for the correction, but there was no need to use the term "bright person" for someone who makes a simple mistake.

The book appears to be a valuable one indeed. Perhaps even more valuable would be a synopsis of the important or relevant points the book might have for our purposes and intentions here on this forum: to address a collapsing monetary system, and discuss means and methods of correcting the situation.

Finally, as for the Jefferson quote, I believe I found it on
http://www.brainyquote.com
Googling it produces over 1200 hits. If you believe the quote is unsound, then please state why. Please also tell me why you think the only genuine Jefferson Quotes would be found on the website you list as yours on your profile.

The website does appear to have exceptionally superior references and publications, but surely it does not contain all of the true and useful knowledge in the universe, as your comment might suggest.

Have we had the pleasure of conversing before? Your writing style appears familiar.

Thanks for the correction on the book text, and the home page of an informative website.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:09 pm 
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nahpaze wrote:
Sorry about the bad link. Here's the good one:
http://yamaguchy.netfirms.com/7897401/w ... index.html


Thanks for the correction. It appears to be a great book, chock full of good references and sources.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 6:11 pm 
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Jere wrote:

Finally, as for the Jefferson quote, I believe I found it on
http://www.brainyquote.com
Googling it produces over 1200 hits. If you believe the quote is unsound, then please state why. Please also tell me why you think the only genuine Jefferson Quotes would be found on the website you list as yours on your profile.

I did not say my site is the only genuine source for Jefferson quotes. I just pointed you to it as one. Can vouch for it because I did it myself from the 1861 Derby edition, mainly. Also there is link there to the Library of Congress where they posted Jefferson's handwritten letters.

Why am I doubtful ? Because couldn't find the alleged quote. Neither could others, and no one who regurgitates that quote is willing to give the source.

As you said, you did not get it from reading Jefferson's papers, only picked it up from some place that wouldn't know the first thing about giving proper sources. So, if you want to impress your readers, pick a genuine quote, Mr. Jefferson said plenty about bankers and money; otherwise you just give yourself away, as you just did.

The final, exhaustive Jefferson papers won't be ready until 2026; but in the meantime it is on you to source properly.


As for 'Shylock as Banker'
My personal recommendation would be chapter 12. Why ? The first book I came accross that properly checked and sourced those still often quoted circulars.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:05 pm 
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We can learn relevant lessons from the money wars of the late 19th century. It is not difficult to see that the bankers controlled both major parties, the major metropolitan newspapers, and the dominant academic institutions. The conventional history says the Gilded Age was followed by the Progressive Era. But were the bankers every really displaced as the ruling elite in America and Britain? If we can establish with certainty that the international bankers owned and controlled the governments and major institutions of both the US and the UK in 1900, we must assume that they are still in control, unless we can identify another elite that have displaced them. FDR's new deal poses as a break in the power of Wall Street but to me it looks like illusion rather than revolution.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2009 11:50 pm 
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Nahpaze, I generally agree with your statement.

It seems to me like the more reading and research I do the more it becomes apparent that the financial powers have controlled and shaped the growth of the USA every since the War of Independence, in 1776, and even before. But the banker's big victories were in the control over the nation's currency, and the power over the money supply, along with their power over business and commerce, and in the election of members of congress, especially in the Senate. The best that can be said, I think, is that certain administrations retarded the march of the money-powers to their ultimate triumph over our government and financial systems. Jefferson and Jackson especially slowed them down. Then Lincoln and his Greenback rebellion. The Populists made some noise, but could not keep America from being "crucified on a cross of gold".

The financial aristocracy have always used gold as their weapon of choice in the mastery of monetary illusion. There is a good probability that Lincoln was murdered by the bankers as a "horse's head" to demonstrate what they would not tolerate from a US president. It is certain that the financiers financed the Bolshevik revolution and the downfall of the Romanoffs. They also financed a good deal of both sides of WW I and II. They used (tricked) Wilson and FDR for their nefarious purposes, both to get us into wars, and to gain central financial power. Wilson was duped into thinking the Federal Reserve Act was something it was not, and supporting the Act without knowing it was virtually the same as the Aldrich Bill he hated and would never have voted for. After the financiers attempted fascist coup to remove him from office in 1932, FDR rounded up all the gold of the USA so that the central bankers could steal it, via the payments of the interest on the national debt in gold bullion. I believe the coup attempt shook him up somewhat. All the gold in Ft. Knox was then transferred from being owned by the government of US citizens to the private central bankers. That gold theft was complete by 1971, when the US went off the international gold standard. That was the true meaning of Ian Fleming's "Goldfinger", of James Bond fame. The gold was never physically stolen; it's ownership was just transferred to the bankers, who now own the vast majority of the world's gold.

Kennedy was just another example of what the bankers would not tolerate. He was going to back off in Vietnam and take on the central banking powers, and their military industrial complex, so he was eliminated. Johnson was duped into the war in Vietnam by the CIA, an instrument more of the money powers than our government. As soon as oil replaced gold as the basis of the dollar (petrodollars) the gasoline shortages began, and the price of oil went through the roof. Oil rather then gold became the new formal foundations of monopoly capitalism.

I wont go into the past 30 or 40 years, as it is far too complex. Let's just say that the news media has been used to hide the truth from the people, rather than to reveal it. Nothing has been as it appears on the surface. We still have the appearances of democracy, but there is no substance. We are given choices between tweedle dee and tweedle dum - the lessers of two evils - both of which are beholden to the money interests, and not the voters.

In reality, all wars are "money wars". They are all financed by money and compound interest must be repaid. The bankers wind up with the earth plus 6%, compounded daily.

My only question is: will we awaken before or after the financial collapse that will domino into an apocalypse? I really do wonder.

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