Howdy Everyone

I am a Canadian - just a working dude with a family to support. I was glad to see some efforts like this web site starting to try to do something about the disasters with our economy.

I know there are differences in our respective economies; yet there are similarities.

Would it be OK for me to ask questions here; for the purpose of doing a little research?

While I am interested to read here about how the banking cartels are monopolizing our economy, and causing much of our hardships; I have some questions about where it's all headed.

I would find it interesting to participate a bit here and learn and maybe even contribute. Please let me know if my participation here is OK; and which forum is best for me to use...

One of the things I am doing is to collect links, resources, and references for what others are saying about our economy. I hope to do my own web site some day that will have more of a focus on support for "the little guy," "the working man," etc. This will be one good place to get info from.

Now, this is not a criticism, but many sites I go to seem to have a very complex, more political type of focus on our economy, what is causing it, etc., which I suppose we do need to look at; however, I see much of the "solution" oriented topics here as something kind of out of reach for ordinary people, who don't have higher educations, or influence, etc. (I am a trucker/welder type). It would be nice to see forums and sites like this to also have some focus on what the ordinary citizen can do to help make the economy better.

One question I would like to see comments on is this: I see a lot of stuff online that could be labeled by some as "conspiracy theories." I would like to make some attempt to investigate just how banks and oil companies are involved in our economies. I would find it interesting to discuss and review comments, and resources posted here on this forum by the various members.

I see a lot in the media about how all these banks and big business, (usually oil) are hurting so bad with this latest economic turmoil. Even in my own limited sphere; I have seen how some of these are still reaping record profits, so how come we all believe what we are being told? What is really going on?

Welcome DBT123. Of course your questions would be OK.



Which forum you use depends on the nature of your post, whether about the problems with our money system, the solutions, or ways to effect desired changes. Just use the forum you think best fits the question or comment.

I would hope so. That was the purpose for which Ellen H Brown wrote her book, Web of Debt, and is the purpose of this forum Ellen's blogsite, and my own blogs. Without a grassroots popular movement for interest-free, publicly issued, money reforms we are all headed for a world of hurt.



First, you should take a day or three and read Ellen's book, Web of Debt. Economics is deliberately made to seem complex in order to confuse people, and make them feel inadequate, and helpless. The purpose of nearly ALL economics language is to disguise the truth, and discourage people from discussing economic matters. All (or nearly all) schools of economics and economics textbooks and literature are controlled by the international central bankers, and have been so controlled for hundreds of years, first in England and Europe, and then in the USA. These bankers have long understood that they who control a nation's money control that nation.



If you read through Ellen's websites and this forum, and my own blogsite on money matters, you will find enough good resources to keep you occupied for many years. However, you will never arrive at the truth about money as long as you insist on sticking to mainstream economic thought, or what the mainstream news and information media puts out. If you insist on shying away from things that some people who now control our money might label as "conspiracy theories" you will never learn anything of value about money or economics, or how these areas of pupular ignorance are used to rule and control the people, and deny them their rights to a truly democratic self-government, and the prosperity they deserve from their honest labors.

Those people who run the syndicates, cabals, and cartels that exploit people of their rightful wealth are criminals, and they are also "conspirators" in some sense. It is only natural that they would call anything that shines light on their nefarious enterprises "conspiracies". One can never get at the truth of anything really worth knowing without following all the evidence no matter where it leads. Timid souls never discover real truth.

Remember that line by Jack Nicholson in the West Point movie with Tom Cruise? "Truth? You say you want the truth? You can't handle the truth!" Well, people that can't handle truth, or want to evade it, call it a "conspiracy theory". There are theories and there are facts, and there is evidence for each of them. We have to learn which is which, by sifting evidence.



All? Please speak for yourself my friend. Personally, I believe almost nothing that I am told, unless it is verified or from a trusted source that has been many times verified. It is impossible for everyone to believe what they are being told, when they are being told contradictory things that are mutually exclusive.

The most I can do for the moment is conclude by urging you to read Web of Debt, the the websites above, and start learning. There simply is not other way to learn the difference between truth and clever deceptions.

I do hope you continue in your determination to find out "what is really going on". It means literally "taking the red pill and see how deep the rabbit hole goes".

LOL; I'll take three of those "red pills" please.

I am a busy Dad/trucker, and time online here will be limited, it may be a week before I reply sometimes; but I do have a number of things I'd like to pick your brains about, as time permits. If I don't pick the right forum to post a topic in, please feel free to move it where it belongs.

Howdy! I finally made it back. I was on a vacation for a while.

I have seen some talk on the various sites you referred me to above about "interest-free, publicly issued, money reforms." May I please ask you to comment on this? What is it? What do you mean when you say "publicly issued?" And what would be an example or two of these "money reforms" that you mention?

If you don't mind me mentioning; I don't see much hope in any type of "money reform" unless the real root of the problem is dealt with by both government and the people.

What I find really irritating and disgusting about it all is that people sit around saying: "O Ya, it's the banks. They are the ones sapping the economy." And yet; no one can say who the banks owe all their money to, and where all the money is being syphened off to, from thousands of working class people, who have lost their life savings to all of the financial "wizardry" we see happening.

Why cannot the people who are specifically responsible for taking so much money from so many people be identified? Why can't their names be published? Is it because we don't know? Is it because we are scared of getting shot? Why is there so much mystery? Why can't all this money be traced to the specific individuals responsible for making innocent people suffer and grovel just to put a roof over their heads and feed their family??

All the fancy talk about "money reform" doesn't mean a lot to a working dude like me right now. Why is it "legal" for the rich boys at the top to rip so many people off, to steal food from their tables, and yet; if I ever ripped off the little old lady down the street for $1000.00 I would have the cops knocking on my door ready to throw the book at me. Why aren't the cops knocking on the doors of the creeps who are doing this to us? Who are ripping us all off for way more than $1000.00! How would "money reforms" prevent this kind of planned "economic crises" from happening again?

Welcome back DBT123. My time to reply is limited, so the best thing I can do is ask you to re-read the above replies. All of these basic issues and questions are the reason Ellen wrote her book, Web of Debt. You obviously haven't read it yet, (an observation, not a criticism) so that would be a starting place, or read the Q&A's on her websites, posted above. My website gives a list of learning tools from the shortest and simplest up through the most lengthy and complex, in both videos and books and articles. I will try to give the "short form" answers to a few of your question when I have more time.

Happy trails..

Thanks! I have started reading some of Ellen's articles on her site, but these questions came after reading several of them.

I will look forward to our discussions here, and to reading more.

Interest free should be self-explanatory. Public mean non-private, or government. The idea is that we the people, via our elected governments, should be able to create money rather than borrow it at interest. The interest is essentially our 11 trillion dollar national debt.

Some would say it IS the root of the problem. If not it is so close as to be inseparable.

That's why they call it "financial wizardry". Now you see it; now you don't.

Because they don't want to be known. Many of them have been published. I've got bookshelves full of books with their names. They have the power to keep them from being widely read. Well some of us know, but we lack power. That's part of it with many people. Many people would just rather not see their families maimed or murdered. It may not bother you or me to wake up with a horses head in your bed, but if it happens to your daughter, or son, it might make you think twice. Someone has to do that tracing. They have a way of having "accidents". But much of it has been traced, as mentioned above. No one has enough power to do much about it until after enough people awaken and take a stand against it.
That is why it is happening. They keep people overworked, ignorant and barefoot. Who has time to get an education into economics and finance? And they aren't exactly offering free educations on these matters, are they? Golden Rule: He who owns the gold makes the rules. At least that is their version. In simple language, they write the laws, so that what they do is legal. When anyone else does it, its a crime. Well, that is why you need to read Ellen's book.

The cops aren't knocking because no one is telling them to. Again, you can't expect to understand everything in one sitting. No one can open up your head and pour knowledge and wisdom in. That has to be learned and lived through experience. Some lessons come at a high cost.

My advice? Get to know and love your neighbor. Trust your family and community and draw close to them. Make yourself and your family...and community, as self-reliant as possible. Ask yourself what you'd need if transportation and communications broke down for 3 months, 6 months, or longer. What would you do if you turned on the water faucet and nothing came out? Or you couldn't get food at the store, or gasoline?

I could go on and write another book, but you should start to get the picture. By all means don't panic or go off the deep end. There is no birth without some pain or discomfort. We are on the verge of birthing a new world, or a new community, or a new way of thinking. The choice is being taken out of our hands and forced upon us.

I'm thinking about just erasing all this, because I think it is probably too much to take in all at once. Still, you asked the questions, and I'm just going where your questions lead.

Here's the bottom line: Private money power is the culprit. Unchecked corporate and financial power is the bogeyman. It's NOT "big government" as you've been programmed to believe all your life. It's BIG... PERIOD. Big business, big banking, big corporations, big oil, big military, big industry, big anything, it is BIGNESS that has corrupted our government, and turned it from being the servant of the people to our masters. It is expecially BIG MONEY.

That is why money reforms is needed so urgently.

Cheers,

Well; I am glad you didn't erase anything! I appreciate the answers you gave; I did get quite the chuckle about the golden rule. Thats so true! Your advice was good too. I agree with it totally.

To me; right now; the whole system of our economy is very crooked, from the top on down. We talk about having to get an education in "finance" so that we can oppose all this stuff more effectively, yet, I wonder. Why is it so complicated, no matter what side we are on here?

EVERYONE should be required to do the same thing...don't spend more than you have. Don't spend money that doesn't exist! Be honest about ALL OF YOUR MONEY. Everyone should be able to be free from financial tyranny; including those who impose it upon us. They don't realize it but they are also the prisoners that they think we are.

But, you are right. it is best, under the circumstances to do what we can to make our personal situations right. With me, for ex. I had some financial struggles; but instead of bankruptcy; I found a court-ordered program that would see everyone get their money over a period of time. I have just completed that program; and it feels great to atleast know I did the right thing - and I made sure everyone got their money. No one was short-changed, not even a nickle. That's more than we could say for those who are stealing from the poor and giving to the rich...where's Robin Hood when we need him?

I will be back with more...

Jere is totally right about BIG.

Big businesses simply have too much power, too much money, and too much influence.
Big businesses require big labor unions in order to ensure workers have proper working conditions and receive reasonable pay and benefits.
Big businesses require big government to limit their power and ensure they don't harm the community.
Big businesses require big customers to prevent price gouging the customer.
Big businesses require big suppliers to prevent under paying or mistreating the suppliers.

Unfortunately, most big businesses have lots of small customers who have effectively no power in setting prices. They tend to have lots of small suppliers who have very little power to negotiate reasonable prices for their goods and services. Big businesses work very hard to prevent or even break apart labor unions. Big businesses also work very hard to influence the public and congress to support the big business's position in respect to laws and dealing with local, state, and federal governments.

Fixing all the problems of BIG will require making them small. Alternately, some things are best when big - but big in private hands just allows abuse. Instead, if things have to remain big, they should be owned and operated by the community, with the profits and benefits going to the entire community.

When a business becomes big, they should be forced to choose between splitting into many smaller, competing businesses or turning into a public utility. Once they are a public utility, the community can decide whether the service is appropriate for the community to own or if it should be split into tiny, competing businesses.